TIMELINE in Virginia Tech Blackburg Va Forum

The questions remain. How did so many bombs get placed in the building without anyone noticing? Did the three teenagers found in a field have anything to do with it? They seemed to have had a great deal of knowledge about the shooting. Why did they say no bullies at Columbine? Why haven't the"third-gunman" reports received more attention? Why does the top investigator with the FBI have disturbing ties to Columbine and the shootings? Why were officers told not to talk? Why are some files "missing"? Did Klebold and Harris wear masks, or were other assailants wearing masks? What is to be made of the numerous timeline discrepancies? What happened to them on Jan 30, 1998? Who else knew? Why were Manes and Duran arrested and others not? There are even more questions and fewer answers...

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starviego	TIMELINE	Lead	[-]
Registered User Posts: 1061 (04/23/07 23:23:52) Admin Staff Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Tags : timeline, norris hall, bloody footprints, lock down, west ambler johnston, squires student center, ramon mata, witness, brittany sammon, pam tickle, hector takahashi, pamplin hall, charles stegers, alex semonite, emily haas, atf Remove this ad --shortly before 7 a.m. Witnesses told police they spotted Cho "just standing there" outside the dorm where the first shooting took place abcnews.go.com/US/story?i...552&page=1 --7:15am First 911 call comes in to the campus police department concerning an incident at West Ambler Johnston www.foxnews.com/story/0,2...10,00.html --7:20 a.m. A rescue call came in about what sounded like someone falling off a loft or out of bed. (yet witnesses saw bloody footprints outside?) abcnews.go.com/US/story?i...552&page=1 --before 8am Eyewitness in AJ: "I woke up and there were police outside in the hall, and I went to the bathroom and I asked the janitor what was going on, and she didn't know -- but she heard that two people were taken out on stretchers. Nothing had happened yet when I left to go to my first class, because I have an 8:00 -- they hadn't started locking us down or anything." www.roanoke.com/news/wb/xp-113296 --8am Student Aimee Kanode said her resident assistant knocked on her door(AJ, 3rd floor) to notify students to stay put. hosted.ap.org/dynamic/sto...SECTION=US --8:14am Email from AJ RA titled "Emergency": "Guys, Hey what's up due to an unforeseen emergency I ask that you all remain in AJ and specifically in your room as there is a situation that requires you not leave the building. Questions or concerns email me or call but I am being told that you should not exit the building. Thank you, D" www.nowpublic.com/chillin...or_underwy --8:15am Students on the fourth floor of West Ambler Johnston were notified by their resident advisor of an emergency and then moved to a another location, according to Ramon Mata, a computer science major and fourth floor resident of West Ambler Johnston. www.planetblacksburg.com/...ambler.php --9am Eyewitness: "I went to campus this morning to drop off some paper work at 9:00 am at Squires Student Center, and everything seemed normal and quiet. Nothing was apparently wrong or out of the ordinary at that time, and I came and went without any knowledge of what had happened earlier in the morning." www.nowpublic.com/node/316546 --9:01am Cho allegedly at Post Office on the dge of campus to mail package to NBC --9:15am Approximate time of second shooting at Norris Hall, according to WashPost www.washingtonpost.com/wp- --9:15am More than 30 shots were reported in nearby Norris Hall, according to President Steger www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16...topstories --9:26am Email to all students at the school, entitled "Shooting on campus:" "A shooting incident occurred at West Amber Johnston earlier this morning. Police are on the scene and are investigating. The university community is urged to be cautious and are asked to contact Virginia Tech Police if you observe anything suspicious or with information on the case. Contact Virginia Tech Police at..." www.nowpublic.com/chillin...or_underwy --9:30am Brittany Sammon, a senior, said she first got the e-mail from the school regarding the shooting www.foxnews.com/story/0,2...10,00.html --9:30am Pam Tickle, housekeeper on the second floor of Norris, when she heard numerous gunshots coming from the hallway. www.planetblacksburg.com/...ambler.php --9:30am Pam Ticle, housekeeper(first floor?) "I was dust-mopping the hall, and when I got to the end, a student was trying to get out the door, but it had a chain around it with a lock. That was weird. I've never seen that." www.thelondonpaper.com/cs...Controller --9:30am Freshman Hector Takahashi said he'd been in a class in Pamplin Hall, near Norris Hall, around 9:30 a.m. Students were talking about a shooting in West Ambler Johnston. "Then all of a sudden, we were like, 'Whoa -- were those shots?'" he said. There were two quick bangs, then a pause, then a fusillade of at least 30 shots, he said. www.thoughtcrimes.org/s9/...ass+murder --9:40am Cho begins entering classrooms Interactive timeline from roanoke.com --9:42 a.m. ..... a call came in at 9:42 a.m. about a second shooting inside Norris Hall.... abcnews.go.com/US/story?i...552&page=1 --9:45am Tech police receive another 911call, this one about a shooting at Norris Hall.Police respond to the building. Within a minute, they break into the building... Interactive timeline from roanoke.com --9:45am Tech President Charles Stegers crisis leadership team meeting at Buruss Hall is interrupted by reports of another shooting. They can hear the sound of gunfire over the small radio clipped to Lt. Joey Alberts lapel, who was sitting in on the meeting. www.washingtonpost.com/wp...ws%3Cbr%3E --9:45am Alex Semonite: "I got out of Shepherd health center around 9:45 a.m. I saw cop cars in front ofAmbler Johnston [a campus dorm]. I overhead someone say there had been shooting. Then the cop cars sped down Washington Street and then to West Campus Drive. I started heading back to my dorm, which is right near Norris Hall. Then I heard the shots..." www.msnbc.msn.com/id/1813.../newsweek/ --9:45am Student Emily Haas noticed gun shots. She is in the room where Cho shoots himself. She was talking to 911 operator while this was happening. videotaped cnn interview --9:50 Email from school to students entitled "Please stay put" "A gunman is loose on campus. Stay in buildings until further notice. Stay away from all windows" --9:50am I didn't know it was going on until and thought it was safe to walk around. They had people at some of the doors but they didn't say anything to me. First thing I heard was the loud speaker come on and say there was a gunman on the loose. Posted by Adam www.planetblacksburg.com/...injury.php --10am Loudspeakers across campus warn of gunman Alex Jones Radio Show --11:00am People hiding in one room on the second floor of Norris are let out by police. www.thelondonpaper.com/cs...Controller --11:00am University officials tell The Times-Dispatch that one person was in custody and another was being sought. www.timesdispatch.com/ser...3350761552 --11:19am One man was seen in custody and in handcuffs in the back of a police car outside Burruss Hall. www.timesdispatch.com/ser...3350761552 --1:30pm ATF is reportedly on scene NBC tv report Last Edited By: mama4paws 04/13/08 12:43:37. Edited 1 time.
mama4paws	Re: TIMELINE	#1	[-]
Registered User Posts: 2180 (04/25/07 20:17:34) Admin Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Here is a timeline of some events before VT, *Quote:* Seung-Hui Cho, the gunman who killed 32 people at Virginia Tech in Monday's massacre, appears to have made several stops in the Roanoke Valley last month, according to reports. Beginning March 12, Cho rented a van from Enterprise Rent-A-Car at the Roanoke Regional Airport which he kept for more than a month, The New York Times reported in its online edition Saturday, citing law enforcement sources. Just 10 days later, Cho visited Roanoke's PSS Range just off Plantation Road in Northeast Roanoke, advertised as the only indoor pistol range in Roanoke. Witnesses identified an Asian man videotaping himself in the back of a van in the parking lot, reports said. Employees at the range would not comment Saturday. Cho also stayed the night at Roanoke's Mainstay Suites on March 28, Ed Wray, general manger of the hotel, told The New York Times. Another overnight stay at a Christiansburg Hampton Inn has workers claiming that a video created by Cho was taped in one of the hotel's rooms because a gold extension cord seen in the video resembles one in a room there. Credit card records then show Cho returning to Christiansburg to finish his shopping list. According to reports, Cho visited Wal-Mart on several occasions, purchasing cargo pants, sunglasses and gun ammunition. Cho also purchased a hunting knife, gloves and a granola bar, according to reports. The chain used to lock the doors of Norris Hall, where the majority of students were killed, was bought at Home Depot. The Virginia Tech killer also looked to eBay to buy supplies for his mission, The Associated Press reported. Cho purchased two 10-round magazines for the Walther P22 -- one of two handguns used in the shooting. The magazines were bought March 22 from a gun shop in Idaho. "It's apparent that he purchased the empty magazine clips," eBay spokesman Hani Durzy said. "They're similar to what could be purchased in any sporting goods store around the country." Cho's eBay rating was an outstanding 98.5 percent. He also sold football tickets and books with violent themes, according to the AP. Computer forensics, including tracking down credit card purchases and seeking cellphone records, have played a major role in the investigation. Link to the above article... Just my two cents ~~Mama~~ "There are things known and things unknown and in between are the doors." Jim Morrison Courtesy of SparkleTags.com
mama4paws	Re: TIMELINE now a dancer...	#2	[-]
Registered User Posts: 2180 (04/25/07 21:09:29) Admin Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Now, if this girl is telling the truth he is even stranger than I thought. Hires a dancer and gets up never changes his expression... This guy seems to be heartless...that is scary! *Quote:* Cho hired motel room dancer ROANOKE, Va., April 25 (UPI) -- A woman said Cho Seung-hui hired her to dance for him in a Roanoke, Va., motel room a month before the Virginia Tech shootings. Chastity Frye told WSLS-TV in Roanoke that Cho hired her through an escort service, ABC News reported. "He was so quiet. I really couldn't get much from him. He was so distant. He really didn't like to talk a lot," said Frye. "It seemed like he wasn't all there." About 15 minutes into her dance, Frye thought Cho had lost interest. "I danced for a little while and I thought we were done because he got up and went to the restroom and began washing," Frye told the television station. When she told Cho she was leaving, he told her he had paid for an hour, she said. The woman said that Cho tried "to get on" her and she pushed him away and he apparently listened. ABC reported that Frye thought Cho looked familiar in the news coverage of the Virginia Tech shootings that claimed 33 lives, including the 23-year-old shooter. The FBI tracked her down through Cho's credit card records. She said she described Cho to investigators as "dorky," "timid," and a "little pushy," ABC reported. link is here. Just my two cents ~~Mama~~ "There are things known and things unknown and in between are the doors." Jim Morrison Courtesy of SparkleTags.com
mama4paws	Re: TIMELINE now a dancer...	#3	[-]
Registered User Posts: 2180 (04/26/07 13:48:11) Admin Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	When the shooting started at VT I said wow they showed no fear they did their job and went in. I thought not one person would say that was wrong. I was wrong.... *Quote:* The five minutes police spent breaking into the building proved to be crucial as Cho moved through Norris Hall unimpeded, with police locked out Authorities eventually blew their way into the building, and as they began to rush toward the gunfire on the second floor, Cho put a bullet through his head and died, surrounded by his victims. State police spokeswoman Corinne Geller praised the officers' response time, noting that had police simply rushed into the building without a plan, many would have likely died right along with the staff and students. She said officers needed to assemble the proper team, clear the area and then break through the doors. "If you go in with your backs turned, you're never going back," Geller said. "There's got to be some sort of organization." How many would be dead if they had not rushed in the way they did? 2 or 20 it matters not... The officers had a job and they did it... How many lived because they were brave and did their jobs. I say I am proud of them! kink Just my two cents ~~Mama~~ "There are things known and things unknown and in between are the doors." Jim Morrison Courtesy of SparkleTags.com
starviego	Re: TIMELINE now a dancer...	#4	[-]
Registered User Posts: 1061 (04/30/07 23:08:01) Admin Staff Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	POLICE RESPONSE Cops now say it took about 3 minutes to reach Norris Hall from across the campus and then another 5 minutes to break through the chains: abcnews.go.com/US/story?i...552&page=1 ....In all, Cho's shooting rampage inside the building lasted nine minutes. It took police three minutes to respond to the scene and another five minutes to break through chains that Cho had used to lock the building's three public entrances. This was after claiming that the 5 minutes delay was to assemble a team before they could move in: www.washingtonpost.com/wp...00292.html She(State police spokeswoman Corinne Geller) said officers needed to assemble the proper team, clear the area and then break through the doors. Some police and security experts question the 5-minute delay, saying authorities should have charged straight into the melee. And other versions say the shooting went on longer than 9 minutes: www.nytimes.com/2007/04/2...University --Inside of 10 to 15 minutes, forensics evidence concluded, he fired ..... www.nytimes.com/2007/04/17/ Students said the gunshots went on for what seemed like 10 or 20 minutes, an eternity with punctuation. Note also there were varying versions of when the shooting started. Officially, it was about 9:40am. But what about other reports that shooting started at 9:15am? Or the earwitnesses that heard shots at 9:30am? At any rate it is clear some of the doors were chained: www.foxnews.com/story/0,2...74,00.html She(Shari Mueller, school employee) said that when she and others tried to get out of the building where the shooting was happening, they found that the doors were chained and padlocked. www.gainesville.com/apps/...35/-1/news One student(in the German class in Room 207) shouted, "That's gunfire, I'm getting out of here.'' He grabbed his belongings and dashed into the hallway, trailed by one other student. But the killer was in the hallway. The first student was shot twice, but managed with assistance from his classmate to hobble downstairs. They tried the doors, but they had been chained shut and they could not get them open, so they ducked into a ground-floor classroom to hide. Though it does seem that some of the victims made it out, indicating that not all the doors were chained: www.foxnews.com/story/0,2...74,00.html Virginia Tech student Blake Harrison said he was on his way to class near Norris Hall when he saw chaos. "This teacher comes flying out of Norris, he's bleeding from his arm or his shoulder ... all these students were coming out of Norris trying to take shelter in Randolph [Hall]. All these kids were freaked out," Harrison said. ..... Matt Merone, a senior, was on his way to campus Monday morning when he saw a police officer grab a male student who was bleeding from his stomach area and put him in a police vehicle, presumably en route to a hospital. [Though possibly some of the people who jumped out of windows may also have sustained bullet wounds.] And not every cop was all the way across the campus: www.washingtonpost.com/wp...ws%3Cbr%3E --Tech President Charles Stegers crisis leadership team had assembled in his Burruss Hall office after the West AJ shootings. ...the meeting was interrupted by a report of another incident. This one was at Norris Hall. As the call sounded over the small radio clipped to Lt. Joey Alberts lapel, the sound of gunfire was unmistakable to Steger and everyone else in his office. The police didnt have to go far. Norris is next door to Burruss.... It is clear that police were on scene when the shooting was going on: www.roanoke.com/vtreactions/wb/114317 When he(State Police Sgt. Matthew Brannock) arrived at Norris Hall, the engineering building was surrounded, as the scanner had described, with law enforcement officials ducking behind cars and pointing weapons. Gunshots echoed from inside the building. (The person who made that cell phone video of the scene outside Norris, Jamal Albarghouti, also showed cops behind trees at the same time shooting is heard.) And once again it appears evacuation of survivors and victims seems to have proceeded slowly: www.news.com.au/courierma...52,00.html witness Park Chang-Min, 27: "It took a long while after everything became quiet before police entered the room." www.thelondonpaper.com/cs...Controller Norris Hall housekeeper Pam Tickle was hidden with others in the student lounge on the second floor of Norris, but were only let out after 11am, "when we heard police out in the hallway." There was also this disquieting report: www.thoughtcrimes.org/s9/...-1646.html --Carilion Roanoke Memorial Hospital is treating two of the gunshot wound victims, one from the first shooting and another from the second shooting, said Eric Earnhart, hospital spokesman. Monday afternoon, hospital staff waited at the ambulance entrance for one of the victims, who arrived about 12:45 in a Carilion ambulance. [Comment: Three hours later at 12:45pm?? Hmmmm..... though I guess it's possible the patient was transferred from another hospital.]
starviego	Stand Down order?	#5	[-]
Registered User Posts: 1061 (04/30/07 23:28:07) Admin Staff Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	There is an interesting article on a possible police stand down here: www.prisonplanet.com/arti...nddown.htm excerps: Sources: Feds Ordered VA Police To Stand Down Local authorities were told to take no action to pursue killer Police and EMT workers at Virginia Tech tell us that campus police were given a federal order to stand down and not pursue killer Cho Seung-Hui as Monday's bloodshed unfolded. Though wishing to remain anonymous for obvious reasons, we have received calls from police and EMT's who tell us that a stand down order was in place, and this is also confirmed by eyewitness Matt Kazee, who is a Blacksburg local. Kazee talked to local EMT's and police who told him the same thing, that the order was to wait until federal back up arrived before any action was taken. This explains the complete non-response of the police in the two hour gap between Cho's first two murders and the wider rampage that would follow later that morning. The policy of federal control over the University was put in place following a previous shooting in August 2006 in which a police officer and a hospital security guard were killed.

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