12-8-11 Virginia Tech Shooting, Blacksburg, VA in Virginia Tech Blackburg Va Forum

The questions remain. How did so many bombs get placed in the building without anyone noticing? Did the three teenagers found in a field have anything to do with it? They seemed to have had a great deal of knowledge about the shooting. Why did they say no bullies at Columbine? Why haven't the"third-gunman" reports received more attention? Why does the top investigator with the FBI have disturbing ties to Columbine and the shootings? Why were officers told not to talk? Why are some files "missing"? Did Klebold and Harris wear masks, or were other assailants wearing masks? What is to be made of the numerous timeline discrepancies? What happened to them on Jan 30, 1998? Who else knew? Why were Manes and Duran arrested and others not? There are even more questions and fewer answers...

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12-8-11 Virginia Tech Shooting, Blacksburg, VA

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Registered User Posts: 1011 (12/14/11 21:48:01) Admin Staff Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Tags : None Remove this ad 12-8-11 Virginia Tech Shooting, Blacksburg, VA Ross Truett Ashley, 22 2 dead 15 minutes after noon on Thursday, December 8, 2011, Virginia Tech police officer Deriek W. Crouse, 39, had pulled over a vehicle when someone walked up to his car and shot the officer to death. About a half hour later, the body of another gunshot victim was discovered about a quarter mile away with a pistol found nearby. He was initially thought to be another victim of the gunman, put police soon claimed he was the perpetrator. He was later identified as Ross Truett Ashley, 22, a resident of nearby Radford, Virginia and a recent graduate of Radford University. The .40-caliber, semiautomatic handgun linked to both deaths was legally purchased by Ashley in January. Authorities have not posited a motive. The killings brought up bad memories of the 4-16-07 mass shooting on the campus of Virginia Tech by student Cho Seung Hui that left 33 dead and dozens wounded. There are a number of unanswered questions in this latest incident, just as there were in the 2007 incident. --There is no such thing as a motiveless crime. So what is the motive here? http://www.vtnews.vt.edu/...120811-vtnews-alert.html (Posted: 2:20 p.m.) Numerous reports have been made recently of sounds identified as gunshots and suspicious activity on campus. These recent reports have been investigated and are unfounded. The suspect's status remains unknown. http://www.wnem.com/story...irginia-tech-on-lockdown There are reports of additional shots fired near the performance arts center on the campus of Virginia tech, approximately one hour after a police officer and a second person were shot. ... http://www.huffingtonpost...-shooting_n_1136934.html 1:50pm local time: CollegiateTimes : Students are reporting shots near Torgersen Hall --If the reports were unfounded, why did so many report them? http://www.huffingtonpost...-shooting_n_1136934.html The individual fled that crime scene in the direction of a second crime scene a quarter of a mile away... --Why was the shooter only a quarter mile away where he allegedly shot himself, when he had at least one half hour to flee the scene? http://abclocal.go.com/kf...ational_world&id=8460692 After the shooting, he fled on foot to the greenhouses, where he left some of his clothes and his ID. --Either this guy is a total bonehead or the ID is an obvious plant. And probably the only way to link the suspect clothing and the alleged perp. --Before police found some discarded clothing in a backpack near the greenhouses on campus, which they identified as belonging to the gunman, there was a report of a witness who had seen someone change and discard clothes at a rest stop on I-81 near Radford. Was this the real shooter? http://www.huffingtonpost...-shooting_n_1136934.html 3:07pm local time: From what it sounds like from the police scanner, a medevac chopper is heading to Virginia Tech. 1:30pm local time: Reports indicate a second person may have been wounded. --Was there a wounded victim/suspect alive at about 1:30pm, as suggested by the medevac deployment? Did the cops allow a suspect to die? http://latimesblogs.latim...dead-police-officer.html State police officers, FBI agents and officers with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives are searching the campus. http://www.wdbj7.com/news...20111213,0,3238847.story Virginia State Police has been assisted during the course of this active investigation by the Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Christiansburg and Radford City police departments, Montgomery County Sheriff’s Office, FBI and Secret Service. How is it that the FBI, the BATF, the Secret Service, and the DEA were there as first responders or investigators? Did they get the tipoff? (The DEA was not officially acknowledged as having been there, but a first responder wearing a jacket with the DEA's markings can clearly be seen in this youtube video, at the 54 sec mark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJb2Z0i2qUA) http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/virginia-tech Mandy Adams, a Radford grad student, said Ashley had recently shaved his head. --Was Ashley a military recruit? (He graduated Radford U three months previously) http://www.huffingtonpost...dl2%7Csec1_lnk2%7C119153 J.D. Muller, 22, said he and Ashley kept in touch through social media... --Where is the record of his online presence? Absolutely no mention has been made of the suspect's computer. The synchronicity: http://www.collegiatetime...otings-on-tech-campus/p2 The Tartan(Radford U news rag) publishes once a week on Wednesdays. Its last issue of the semester had hit stands the day before Ashley allegedly shot Crouse. Its front page story features a large image of a gun with coverage of a pro-gun protest from the Citizens Defense League that happened on Wednesday. / Last Edited By: starviego 12/14/11 22:31:55. Edited 3 times.
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Registered User Posts: 1012 (12/14/11 22:12:19) Admin Staff Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The suspect allegedly stole a Mercedes SUV from the office of his landlord in Radford the day before the killing: http://www.washingtontime...lice-id-va-tech-shooter/ The Mercedes was stolen at gunpoint at about 11:25 a.m. after a man entered the business armed with a handgun and demanded the keys to an employee’s vehicle. http://www.wusa9.com/news...ified-As-Va-Tech-Shooter The subject(Ashley) got away in the SUV, which was located the next day (Dec. 8--the day of the shooting) on the Smart Road at Virginia Tech(about 20 miles away)," police said. Now if there's one place in America where you don't want to abandon a stolen car, it's on Montgomery County, Virginia's 2.2 mile experimental 'Smart Road:' http://www.vtti.vt.edu/virginiasmartroad.php Dispatchers monitor the Smart Road from a computer-equipped control center that is staffed 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Researchers can observe highway traffic and driver performance, both directly and indirectly using surveillance cameras. ... --So let's see the video already!! Also, the Smart Road is still 2 to 3 miles from the VTech campus where the shooting happened. Why would the killer abandon the car so far from his target? They now say he ran out of gas, but there should at least have video of it. Why didn't the staff in the control booth immediately note Ashley abandoning the stolen vehicle? And then there was this: http://www.collegiatetime...f-ross-ashleys-movements During the WDBJ report yesterday, they said he actually drove his car to the real estate office and left it there when he stole the SUV. It would be kind of tough to explain why Ashley felt the need to steal a car when he had one of his own! -------------------- More: --Did Ashley have gunshot residue on his hands/clothing? --Were his fingerprints on the weapon or the magazine? --How close to his body was the weapon found? http://blog.firestorm.com...am-will-not-be-released/ ...Corinne Geller of the Virginia State Police explained that the dashcam video of slain Officer Crouse’s patrol car will never be released as it is a part of a criminal investigation file. --Cops claimed the shooter is visible in the police car's video. Is Ashley recognizable as the gunman? Why won't they release it? ----------------- Catapulting the propaganda: 12-9-11 One tyler Brehm, 26, indiscriminately opened fire at passing motorists in Hollywood, CA, hitting one person in the head who is now critically wounded, reports the Los Angeles Times. The gunman was then shot dead by two police officers who were on a nearby movie set and alerted by bystanders. 12-9-11 ATCHISON, Kan. - Atchison Police Department. Sgt. David Enzbrenner, an on-duty police officer was shot and killed Friday afternoon by a man who then shot himself. ...the alleged shooter, 25-year-old Skyler Barbee, came "out of nowhere," fired at the officer and then shot himself. ... /
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Registered User Posts: 1013 (12/14/11 22:48:44) Admin Staff Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	There is very little in Ashley's background that would help to explain motive. He was as normal as can be, even a star football player in high school. From an ex-college roommate: http://www.wdbj7.com/news...e-20111214,0,29989.story "I can see no motivation or anything that could possibly from knowing him, I spent a lot of time with him. Got to know him. I never saw anything dark or under the surface, ill feelings I mean. He was not like that," said Keen. http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/302246 Michael Armory, a student who lived with Ashley when he attended the University of Virginia's College at Wise, said Ashley seemed prone to depression and angry outbursts but could also be "real cool" and helpful. "Prone to depression?" Uh oh, I hope he didn't go to a shrink for his problems. The worst they could come up with was this: http://www2.timesdispatch...-killing-is--ar-1535428/ "There was a dark side about him that was very disturbing," said Shaver, a 25-year-old graduate student who feared that the slightest provocation of the brooding young man, known to compulsively run back and forth in the hallways, somehow would set him off. "Like when he left his laundry in the dryer and I had to remove it so I could do mine; I actually worried what he would do. So I folded it up neatly out of a sort of fear," he said. Unfortunately the witness cannot attest to any actual acts of violence, so we get his feelings instead. They'll have to do better.
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Registered User Posts: 1014 (12/16/11 15:04:09) Admin Staff Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	There was one tiny blip of information that may go a long way to explain motive: http://blogs.fredericksbu...sdesk/2011/12/13/ashley-‘a-different-person’/ He(ex-roommate) said Ashley enjoyed NFL games and the popular fantasy game “World of Warcraft.” According to his lawyer, Norwegian whack shooter Anders Breivik was an avid player of that MMORPG, and believed himself to be 'in game' at the time of the Utoya massacre. So I wonder if Ashley also thought he was only playing out a 'game' scenario, like Breivik, when he went on his attack. You may recall the Columbine killers might also have been playing out a 'game' scenario, according to statements made by the library witnesses.

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